Feature: users getting a notification on-site when images they have uploaded are deleted by a moderator. I think it could be helpful information for the user to get that feedback if the images they are uploading are unsatisfactory or ultimately deemed undesirable and removed. It might steer the user to more desirable outcomes. I can see some potential drawbacks too so I guess I am just interested in what people think of this.
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Reply by Banana
on November 8, 2024 at 11:41 AM
I think that could be an overwhelming feature for both mods and contributors. If we have to go thought your edits and remove hundred of images, do you really want to receive hundred of notifications? It's easier for us to send a message to contributors when there are recurring issues with their images.
Reply by fridge-fins
on November 8, 2024 at 3:13 PM
Oh I did not know the current protocol for how this is handled. I was picturing this happening a few times as a new regular contributor like me gets used to the guidelines and preferences of the community. Knowing that any recurring issues will be addressed in a pm from staff if they come up addresses any concern I had about unknowingly messing things up or contributing in an unhelpful way.
Thank you
Reply by Jim Stark
on November 11, 2024 at 4:59 AM
This could be easily automated, you certainly don't need to do that manually, it should be done by the system. IMO if someone uploaded a hundred images worth deleting, they only deserve to receive a hundred notifications before being banned or warned :D
Reply by Banana
on November 11, 2024 at 5:04 AM
It need to be done manually because the system doesn't know why the images are being deleted. And the why is the important part.
Reply by Jim Stark
on November 11, 2024 at 5:16 PM
There are only a few reasons for deleting, each can be presented with a checkbox. You mark relevant ones when deleting an image, and the system comprises the message based on your selections. This also could be saved in a log, so any user can see, why this particular image was deleted. Yes, it is a bit more work for you, but this way every person will know why their image was deleted, and (theoretically) adjust their behavior. Which (theoretically) means less work for you in the future. I suppose currently you don't message users who uploaded 1-2 bad images, but without knowing the reason (or even noticing the fact of deletion) they could continue uploading bad pics, creating more work for you.
Reply by TexasYeti
on November 14, 2024 at 6:21 PM
Speaking of wondering why an image was deleted, could someone tell me why the profile picture of a deceased game show host I uploaded was deleted? I cant figure it out - I got the picture from a news article from his death and as far as I know it meets the requirements here.
link to change: https://www.themoviedb.org/person/1219290-jack-barry/changes?language=en-US
it might be an auto mod judging by it making edits every few mins, with 600,000+ total.
A message attached as to why something wasn't up to standard would be useful. Its 2000x3000px (2:3), a head shot style photo, with focus is on the person's face ending at the shoulders. etc. Now there is nothing which is surely worse?
Reply by Jim Stark
on November 14, 2024 at 6:59 PM
Upscaling the image to 2000x3000 doesn't make it high resolution, the quality of these particular images is very bad. It is always better to upload a small image of decent quality, rather than enormously blow it up, only making it look blurry and pixelated.
Reply by Banana
on November 15, 2024 at 1:45 AM
That is Tip 2: Avoid low quality images here:
Click on it to see it in full (100%) size: https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/outcc6tZju6pTLU5DaeNoDZRRoO.jpg The image is incredibly upscaled and blurry. Here you can see it in comparison to a good 2000x300px picture: https://imgur.com/a/n0BrHL1
Reply by TexasYeti
on November 15, 2024 at 4:50 PM
gotcha, I'll keep that in mind if I contribute in the future. That's a great example that would be great for the guidelines.
Is it better to have nothing over something? Because reading the guidelines it sounded like TMDB preferred something over nothing, even as placeholders. this user has gone through and deleted dozens of uploads leaving shows blank. A lot of the shows in question are from the 50's etc. You're not going to get great images without using LLMs to upscale and do the best you can. A example is this background image. Is this to blury for Plex, etc to use as a faded background image? I'm not able to restore data that isnt there. the show is from the 60's.
It seems weird that a non-mod can mass delete and leave a show with nothing, like the 1977 It's Anybody's Guess. . I spent hours looking for old broadcast episodes to pull from on some of these. easily 20 hrs of work, over 85 contributions, gone and left with nothing. with the Let's Make a Deal (1963) entry he literally removed my entry and restored a wrong image. (using the modern lets make a deal show)
And thanks to Jim Stark for the Jack Barry photo.
Can i get some guidance here from y'all? Should I scale down the contributions and re-upload? If its down to a judgment call whats stopping just another mass delete of everything I contribute? When can anyone know when something is good enough if its largely subjective? Especially when dealing with low-res or situations when official material is non existent (like many old broadcast shows)?
Reply by Jim Stark
on November 15, 2024 at 5:27 PM
The most common issue is that people often try to upscale images to the maximum resolution, which leads to poor results 9 times out of 10. Instead, you should aim to start with the lowest allowed resolution, especially for older shows. Consider this: if your Plex player grabs a 640x480 image from Trakt and scales it to fit your 90" QLED screen, the result is going to look much better, compared to the same image upscaled to 3840x2160 by some genius.
If you're not an expert in image processing, my best advice is to avoid manipulating the images, except for cropping. If the image you have looks good at 100% of its original size and meets the minimum requirements, just upload it as it is.
If you're uncertain about the quality, take a look at the examples in the bible. It provides some decent references for what is considered acceptable quality.
Reply by Banana
on November 16, 2024 at 2:04 AM
It is better for entries to have no images rather than images that do not meet the guidelines. Sometimes, there are just no good enough image available online. However, there is always hope that some might be released in the future.
No, they're a mod. Removing incorrect images is a big part of being a moderator.
I see that you already pointed it out in a report. Without knowing the content, the images do not look out of place because contributors have duplicated the seasons 2009-2024 on that entry. But there is already a separate entry for the 2009 iteration: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/114439-let-s-make-a-deal